Julie Green

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. I need to make sure that we are all talking about the same thing. It was my understanding that the base building analysis is happening on the old building and the renovations are happening on the old building. My question was about the confidence that the work will be completed on the old building in the 2019-2020 fiscal year and that renovations will then begin on schedule in the 2020-2021 fiscal year. Is that correct? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think that partnership is really important. The people need the same kind of supports. They are coming from different places to after-care. They might be coming out of a treatment program rather than out of jail, but they need the same kind of services to maintain their sobriety and successfully reintegrate into the community. I am glad to hear they are working together. Just back to the beginning of this, which is the fence, how does the fence work into this? Is it necessary to make South Mackenzie into a medium-security jail? Or is it to section off the therapeutic...

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I am trying to make sense of items 2 and 3, the Stanton Legacy Building, base building, modifications to make it ready. Then the next part is design and renovations. What is the difference between those two projects? Thank you.

Okay. That is good news. Now, the other part that really impressed me when I was there is that the people in the Guthrie House were planning for the end of their sentence and their discharge back into the community pretty much from the time they arrived. Their most important piece to organize was accommodation, that they needed to find somewhere to live. That is where John Howard was very helpful to the inmates or residents, as I understand. How will that portion of reintegrating people who have achieved sobriety into stable housing and a stable situation, how will that part work? Thank you.

Okay. I didn’t find that answer very illuminating. My understanding is that this upgrade was in the last capital budget. It is now in the capital budget that begins in April of next year. When is this project going to happen? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In order to be part of the Guthrie House community, the people have to -- the men, it is all men. The men have to have at least four months left in their sentence. They have to undergo drug testing and be committed to their sobriety using an abstinence model, an AA model. They also have to be assessed by their peers. The residents of Guthrie House have a lot of say over who comes in to Guthrie House and whether they end up staying there. Their job is really to ensure the fidelity of the community, that it lives up to its principles. Is that going to be the model used in...

I have a question on page 32.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, what I saw at Guthrie House and what the Minister's been describing are not the same thing. And so, it's resulted in considerable confusion for me. I want to just break it down into pieces. So piece number one is that Guthrie House is a separate entity, a fenced entity within a medium security correctional facility called the Nanaimo Correctional Centre. So it's separate. It is its own entity. Is that the concept for this therapeutic community in the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I see that the long-term care facility upgrade is again in this capital budget. It was carried over, I believe, from last year. Why was that carry-over necessary? Thank you.

I am trying to understand that. Will there actually be new money for housing in this bilateral agreement? Thank you.