Debates of October 22, 2025 (day 67)

Date
October
22
2025
Session
20th Assembly, 1st Session
Day
67
Speaker
Members Present
Mr. Edjericon, Hon. Caitlin Cleveland, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Lucy Kuptana, Hon. Jay MacDonald, Hon. Vince McKay, Mr. McNeely, Ms. Morgan, Mr. Morse, Mr. Nerysoo, Ms. Reid, Mr. Rodgers, Hon. Lesa Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Testart, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek, Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong, Mrs. Yakeleya
Topics
Statements

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Would fixing a drainage system fall under this category? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Okay, thank you. I'll go to the Minister.

Yeah, this program it will.

Okay, and thank you. I'll go back to the Member from Mackenzie Delta.

Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, I've been receiving calls about their drainage system not being adequate enough to keep water out of their -- off their roads. So I'll have to make them aware that you said this year's allocation, you could see it's 2027-2028 some completion dates, so I don't know -- maybe they can start working on a plan or they can allocate funds for this program to fix their drainage system. It's more a comment than a question. Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's all I have.

Thank you for that comment. I'm going to continue on. Is there any further questions on page 72? I'm going to go to the Member from the Deh Cho.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to look at the -- actually, it has to do with the housing -- Canada housing infrastructure fund. I wanted to know what that is and that is do with MACA, is -- can the housing infrastructure fund -- what is that and how does that relate to community governments? Thank you.

Thank you. I'll go to the Minister.

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. So the CHIF funding is used for communities to apply for in projects, some big projects. We recently just signed the agreement of $74 million, and that's over a certain amount of years. So there are some three -- there's been three big projects that have been approved for communities - Fort Smith, Fort Providence, Fort Liard. And, yeah, so the communities can apply for this CHIF funding but they -- it's up to the community to have projects on the books and ready to go. So just trying to think -- sorry, that's good. Thanks.

Okay, thank you. I'm going to go back to the Member from the Deh Cho.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Now, Canada housing infrastructure fund, that has to do with housing. What is it -- like, so you said it's -- does this have to do with housing? Like, can MACA apply for housing for the community governments? Thank you.

Thank you. On that question, I'm going to go to the Minister.

Yes, thank you. This program is designed to basically support, you know, critical infrastructure for housing. It's not for -- it's not actually for houses but it's designed to, like, build subdivisions or water works and everything like that. Thank you.

Thank you, I'm going to go back to the Member from the Deh Cho.

Okay, so it's not to get houses for, like, hamlets, for hamlet staff housing or anything like that. That's what I was thinking that was about. But, okay, you have two of my communities on there, Enterprise for 2027-2028, and you have Fort Providence for 2027-2028. Like the Member from Monfwi asked, can you tell me what those are, or what is the amount for them? Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.

Yes, again, thank you, Mr. Chair. So, again, this funding is that the communities have applied for through their capital planning process. If the Member wants, we can share that information now. It's communities projects, not our projects. Or if not, I can share the information afterwards with their capital plan and their fact sheets.

Okay, thank you. I'll go to the Member to that question.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like the fact sheets, thank you. Don't need to share it here.

Was there any further questions from the Member of Deh Cho?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, not at this time.

Thank you. Is there any further questions on page 72? Okay, I'm going to move on to page 76. For sport and recreation and youth, I'm going to go back to the Member from Monfwi. I think you had your hand up on page 76.

Yeah, okay. Well, I wanted to go back to page 74.

I'm sorry, yes, the Member from Monfwi, can you repeat your question again. Mahsi.

Okay, can we go back to page 74?

There's a question by the Member to go to page 74. I need unanimous consent from the Members. Can I get the Members agree to going back to page 74? Can I hear agreed?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Okay, thank you. We'll go back to page 74. And we'll go to the Member for Monfwi.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. For regional operation, MACA, you know, for 2026-2027, it's $32 million and in Tlicho region, we're growing. With the all-season road community, Whati is going to be expanding. Behchoko is expanding. We're building a subdivision. And it means that we're building subdivision so our community, it's growing, and we're going to be needing more infrastructure, water, sewer, you know, and we're going to be getting a new school. So we are getting ready.

So with that in mind, like, I mean, community government is public. Public government. But we're within the land claim and community government is in the Tlicho agreement. So based on that information, I'm not too sure here, but I just want to ask the Minister how are they going to be allocating this $32 million when we have a lot of projects on the go and our membership are growing, our community is growing, Behchoko is growing. Whati eventually is going to be, you know -- with the all-season road, they're going to be -- I mean, their population is going to be going up. So I just wanted to ask how this funding, $32 million, will be allocated, especially in Behchoko too alone, with the new subdivision being created. Thank you.

Okay, thank you to the Member. I'm going to go to the Minister.

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. So, again, this funding is all the funding that we distribute to all the communities. All 33 communities get a pot of this -- a part of this funding. It's distributed through the community allocation model, and every community has an opportunity for all these funds, and it's based on the formulas that we've had in place for the last little while here. We just recently went through a -- you know, a change of the formula. We had briefings on that and stuff. So all the funds that we have are transferred out through the community funding allocation. So it's up to the community what they do with their funds once they get it as part of their planning, but essentially this is the funds that get transferred through to all the communities. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Monfwi. Any further questions?

Okay. Sometimes the fund allocated, it's not enough. We know that, you know. It's not enough. So the formula, he didn't say anything but I mean, he said the formula that they had. Is it based on population and/or the infrastructure? Because when you look at it in small communities, there's not too many infrastructures in the small communities. We may have a lot of people, but -- you know. So we are going to be at disadvantage with infrastructures. I don't know how -- I don't know what formula that he's talking about. But it would be nice if we can see that formula or, you know -- or give us a copy of formula that they are using to distribute. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. I will go to the Member to that question.

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. So the department has been working with the community government in regards to this formula funding. And they continue to work with the Tlicho government. So just with that, again, you know, the formula funding is divided up between the communities based on, you know, their infrastructure, their services they provide, assets they have, and all that kind of stuff. So it's distributed through all 33 communities fairly and equitably so that -- you know, we all have the same problem of not having enough money, and we're trying to get these funds out to all the communities so that they have them based on that community allocation model. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. Is there any further questions from the Member from Monfwi?

How can you say equitably? Because, you know, these small communities, we don't have a lot of infrastructures. You know, we provide services, but we don't have a lot of service -- infrastructures. Like Wekweeti, you know. So -- but it's good. It's good information, and I think I have an idea too of what Tlicho are doing, community government, our Tlicho government, so I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to -- is there any other questions from Members for page 74? Okay, seeing none. I'm going to continue on to page 76. Is there any questions? I'm going to go to the Member from Monfwi, and on page 76.

Well, this is a continuation from my previous. It's a sports and recreations, and we know there's a lot of cutbacks, and I mean, this department is going to be getting some cutbacks. So this capital projects for 2026-2027, I don't know what this 51 means. If the Minister can elaborate on that. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. So prior to the Member entering the House, MLA for Yellowknife asked about this and it was on page 77 where it shows a light duty sport utility vehicle of $51,000, and this is designed -- or used for the sports and rec department to have a vehicle in place because they currently don't have one. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Okay, thank you. I'm going to go to the Member from Monfwi.

Well, same too, like with my colleague from Yellowknife North said. We have lots of surpluses, why do we have to purchase a vehicle for a lottery vehicles? There's lots of surplus vehicles. So $51,000 could have went somewhere else. Maybe for, you know, sports or recreations that small communities are lacking. And this is just for Yellowknife only, you know, and nothing for the regions, so. And GNWT has a lot of surplus vehicle here, so why are we purchasing this $51,000 vehicle? It's not a lot, but it's lots for us in small communities because we are always without, and we don't get enough, and we're always -- in some cases, community members are fundraising. So that's why I'm just asking about that one, yeah. But, yeah, after that, it's no more question. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you for your question from the Member from Monfwi. I'll go to the Minister, if you -- I know you already answered this earlier, did you want to respond? Thank you.

Great comments by the Member. Noted. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Okay. Thank you. Is there any further questions on page 76 from Members? Okay, seeing none.

Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, sport and recreation and youth, infrastructure investment, $51,000. Does committee agree?

Speaker: SOME HON. MEMBERS

Agreed.

Thank you. Members, please return now to the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs summary found on page 71.

Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, 2026-2027, capital estimates, $50,192,000. Does the committee agree?