Caroline Wawzonek

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't have the number on the service payments in front of me, but let me see, Mr. Courtoreille may have that. And Madam Chair, in my haste, I realize I didn't actually fully explain the last answer.

The change, indeed, was that the costs incurred here that we're dealing with had been forecasted, of course, to be over in this year. So I hope that part is clear. And as for service payments, let me go to Mr. Courtoreille, please.

Thank you, Madam Chair. On the right, Madam Chair, is Bill MacKay, deputy minister of Finance. And on the left, I have Terence Courtoreille, deputy secretary to the Financial Management Board.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, let me see if Mr. Courtoreille has that, as I am trying to just going to make sure I have the correct numbers. Thanks.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I think the Member has well-articulated really the underlying reasons why this particular project moved from being something under ISSS over to the folks who are doing the Mineral Resources Act regulations. It is a complex area. It is an area where there are a number of things to be balanced and sensitivities to ensure that we are achieving the goals of the Mineral Resources Act to provide certainty and stability and clarity and to be a modern act that balances the kinds of -- potentially contentious issues that the Member has quite rightfully pointed out.

I...

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I'll perhaps check in with the deputy minister in a moment. But just  just briefly, this isn't it wasn't an unanticipated amount. What was unanticipated was the timing of it. So and largely this is owing to the pace at which the Tlicho AllSeason Road was deemed to completion and the timing of when the associated debt to that project would have to come on the books.

So I do want to be clear that it wasn't something unexpected or unanticipated or unplanned for; it was only the timing of it. Seeing on when the timing came through, that is what has...

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I'm here to present Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2021-2022. These Supplementary Estimates propose a total decrease of $109.8 million comprised of the following items:

Firstly, a decrease of $113.5 million to adjust infrastructure project cash flows to realign the appropriations with the anticipated project schedules. This amount is fully offset by appropriations in future cash flows;

Secondly, $2.8 million is required for surfaces overlay costs at the Fort Smith airport and $761,000 is required for airfield electrical...

Thank you, Madam Chair. Back again, I have the deputy minister of finance Bill MacKay, and the deputy secretary to the Financial Management Board Terence Courtoreille.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the MARS system has to be coordinated with what's happening on the front of the Mineral Resources Act Regulations. That work, of course, is happening over in ITI. The two are really dependant on one another. It is one of those occasions where the technical specifications required for MARS to be successful has to happen in conjunction with what's happening with the MRA regulations so that the one will reflect the other reasonably and that the timing of the two are complementary to one another. So it made, in that sense, the most sense to have the two under...

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I think Mr. Courtoreille's going to be faster at doing the math than me in terms of taking our $1.8 billion and then reducing from what the actuals are here. So I'll turn it to him, please.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker, I certainly am sympathetic to what the Member is saying. I do run up against the fact that anything that's an entitlement specific or in this nature, a benefit, does come within the collective agreement. So always mindful of the role of the Department of Finance and myself as Minister to abide by the collective agreement, not never to be seen to be bargaining outside of the collective agreement process, but then wanting to ensure that we are applying access to those benefits equitably and consistently and with that wholeofgovernment approach. So I do...