Caroline Wawzonek

Oh, sorry, Mr. Chair. It is in the -- it's in the capital budget, and so that's why -- yeah, I was thinking it's not showing up on this budget, which is our operations, but there is an amount budgeted for capital for the coming year. So we were just able to pull it up over here. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, with respect to specific outages, there is this process I've already described. It is formally done but with respect to capital planning, there is a capital planning process that does take place within NTPC in terms of the staff who are involved with outage investigation and reviews but also involved in terms of wanting to deliver upon their mandate as an organization. Anything that is over 5 million, which for a lot of more major investments, certainly would be. That also gets reviewed by the public utilities board. And, of course, I will just...

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I couldn't agree more, and I spend an awful lot of time wondering and worrying what has happened to our energy systems and why we find ourselves in the situation that we are in. Without finding customers who are not residential customers and who are large-scale customers, it is going to be very difficult to meaningfully and sustainably bring down the cost of power other than through subsidies from the government, which really just takes away resources from the government that could be spent on other programs and services and/or obviously requires us to, you...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I think I will be more succinct and just say this is a good opportunity for us to provide this response in writing. There are training opportunities through ITI, ECE, perhaps through MACA, NWTAC, and, again, I won't have all of those at my fingertips here, and I want to do my best to make sure we provide that information. It's important, and there are opportunities available in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, it is due any day to me, so I don't know exactly where it is in terms of its print but I suspect it's at a stage of fairly final draft. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's a fairly long list of folks that are being named, and this is likely one where there's strategic energy initiatives that reside with me and yet management of our facilities with, of course, Minister for Infrastructure and may well involve some work from MACA with respect to what's happening at a community level. So I'd certainly like to say that if it's a question of simply coordinating or ensuring that the right people are talking to each other that that's probably pretty easy to do. So let me take that back, Mr. Speaker, if there's something simple...

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Certainly, I agree it's a lot of money, and I think it's probably appropriate to put that out in some writing so that I am not just spitballing that size of a dollar fund. I mean, certainly some of it -- there are quite a large number of groups involved, and so to the extent of there being, you know, work happening with each group to discern the traditional knowledge, traditional knowledge studies, those are amounts that are provided directly to Indigenous communities and governments. So there's three groups, three Indigenous nations involved, but each one then also...

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I suspect we will be able to find that number here in just the next few minutes. I don't have it at the tip of my fingers, but somebody else does.

$18,265,000 in previous years, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I believe it was all three of those programs were unfortunately cut as a result of the sunset and conclusion of funding that we had been receiving from the federal government, a fairly substantive amount coming from the federal government now with the signing of the new low carbon economy fund. That should -- that now is, in fact, more than what it was previously, at least for the next some period of time, a short period of time. We do expect to be able to bring back a significant amount and more than cover the losses in funding. But whether or not or what specific...

Thanks, Mr. Chair. And, Mr. Chair, I share my colleague's view on this. There's a lot of lessons to be learned, and we can't build projects in pieces. It's not effective. And this is a message for the federal government as well. When we're given small -- really what are small amounts of money to do simple, small parts, but without knowing whether or not the whole of the project is ever viable, you are building something that is massive in tiny pieces. It's not effective, and it's not efficient.

Next steps, Mr. Chair, as I said, we had members of strategic infrastructure in all Sahtu communities...